- There are ethical grey areas on abortion regardless of how stridently you oppose or support it
- There will be abortions regardless of the laws in place and the severity of the punishment
Both points could not be more true. I have considered both at length, because their implications are significant in a society where morality, law, and science have an intricately interwoven relationship. However, I still conclude that neither one justifies the practice or legalization of abortion. Let's address the lower bullet first, because it's relatively easy, by writing it this way:
- There will be (murder/pedophilia/gambling/blackmail/theft) regardless of the laws in place and the severity of the punishment
So, we can see that the simple existence of something should not preclude efforts to eliminate, or at least curb, that something by legislation and vigorous enforcement. So that one is put to bed on a fundamental, philosophical level. Prohibition does not necessarily preclude, but can suppress. Yet, that first bullet continues to bedevil me and anybody else who thinks seriously about abortion.
The first bullet is typically broken into two basic scenarios. 1) A woman is pregnant or in labor, and is in a situation where either she OR the baby can survive, but not both; and 2) A woman is raped and found to be impregnated by her assailant. Wow. You almost can imagine that God would write down an answer to this, erase it, and write it again repeatedly before getting it right. From this point on there are two primary factors driving the decision process. They are how you set moral boundaries and how you could ever write a clear, concise, and enforceable law to affect your policy. Put in other words, how do you define the issue morally, and how do you make it work in a nation of over 300 million citizens. And many millions of non citizens.
As I hope I have shown in past posts, I represent the evangelical Christian moral viewpoint. In the case of mother or baby but not both survive, the overwhelming principle is value of life. Well, there are two lives involved, either one could die tomorrow even if they are chosen to survive the trauma of childbirth, and for all we know either one could cure cancer or waste their lives in trivial pursuits. Not the board game, I mean... never mind. So, this is a rare instance where I think we need to look exclusively at the "how do we write effective law" aspect. Personally, I take the approach of treating it as an organ donor situation. Somebody who is alive at a key moment, although facing imminent death, can save another life by sacrificing their own body. What do you need to make such a sacrifice? Well, donor consent is essential. So, the mother, if conscious, should legally have the right at any time to sacrifice herself for the sake of the child without any other input. Fair enough. As for the child, there are two legal guardians, the mother and father. Therefore, if BOTH mother and father consent to sacrificing the baby for sake of the mother's survival, legally you would have to let it happen (again, using organ donor logic). What if the father is estranged or on work travel or in no state of mind to make any sort of decision (which is very likely)? I cannot say, but that is the issue you would have to reconcile to write effective law.
As for the case of impregnation through rape (let's say "impregnato via enrapo", to feel Latin-y and feel legal), that is the trickiest of all. Wifey has done a bit of research on this topic, and has come up with a solution superior to anything I have thus far. When a woman claims rape, it would be totally justifiable to perform a procedure that cleanses her reproductive organs while obtaining DNA to find and use against the accused offender. Knowing that it takes at least a matter of hours for an egg to implant, it would have no hospitable place to land, so thus is passed along with no consequence. Therefore, effective law should require that any woman should report rape to the proper authorities within 24 hours, and moral issues can be cut to almost none. What this woman waits to report the crime, say for a period to exceed a few days? Well, most likely that is because it is acquaintance rape. Ugh. Note that the unborn baby still has done nothing wrong to deserve death. I think our legal system has actually headed in the right direction by establishing that murdering a pregnant women results in two murder charges. Perhaps to follow that course logically, while maintaining the baby's right to exist, the rapist is charged for his crime twice. He is an immediate repeat offender. Yes, this leaves a woman responsible for dealing with the crime of another, a victim in probably every sense. However, she should receive the full support of the government to assist her. This follows Matty's path to enacting government policies to reduce abortions. This could come in the form of social security payments to the child as though its father had died, in addition to child support to be paid by the rapist.
Whew, that was a long-winded post. In summary: laws to prevent abortion are not fundamentally unsound, babies should be considered for abortion when the mother is in jeopardy only when consistent legal and medical principles are applied (I chose the organ donor scenario), and the baby has still committed no crime in the case of impregnation by rape so the government should double-prosecute the rapist and provide the full weight of society's support for the mother and child who remain.
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Stew, thanks for the thoughtful reply. I hesitated to even respond to your previous post, because there is so much gray area for disagreement.
First, I think you reject the second bullet too quickly. I don't think that abortion is directly analogous to murder/pedophilia etc. Those actions have been deemed by all civilized societies, religious and secular to be wrong. That is not the case for abortion. Abortion is legal in most of what we would call first world countries. It is absolutely illegal in only a handful of countries. I refer you to this map:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/AbortionLawsMap.png
You may say that just because abortion is legal in Norway and France doesn't make it any more justifiable to you, but the fact remains, it is not universally condemned as murder/pedophilia is, not to make a flippant comparison, but its more on par with legalized marijuana usage, where there's a great diversity of regulatory laws throughout the world.
Also on the point of the "they'll happen anyway," I do think unsafe back-alley abortions are something to be feared. Also, even if Roe v Wade were overturned, that would not lead to an abortion ban, it would lead to a greater disparity from state to state as to abortion laws. This introduces all sorts of problems, and its not clear to me that the end result reduces abortions.
I won't speak to much to the ethical quandries of health of the mother/rape too much. I will say that a larger number of rapes than you seem to suspect go unreported in the first 24 hours. I keep thinking of a little girl who's been molested by her father for years who ends up getting pregnant. This rape/pedophila/incest combination is despicable, and as an aside would greatly increase the risk of birth defects.
Also, let me ask this, as a way of leading to my last point, where exactly is the line between the cleansing of reproductive organs you suggest and abortion?
One of the stickiest questions about abortion is "When does life begin?" If you say "conception," as I suspect you will, then what you propose is still abortion. Maybe that's what you meant, but if that's the case, then why make a distinction about the egg having a hospitable place to land?
Perhaps you feel that life begins once the egg embeds in the uterus? Its certainly true that often fertilized eggs do not embed, and the woman passes them as if it were a normal cycle, never realizing she was passing a fertilized egg.
Let me come back to the question of when life begins. I honestly don't know. If you have religious beliefs in a soul entering the body, the question is even more muddied. Is a collection of cells trying to embed on the uteran wall life? I don't know. For my part, I'd probably define life once brain and heart function begin, when the fetus could potentially survive outside of the womb. Obviously the line between individual cells and life is the key line that both sides of the abortion debate struggle to draw.
I don't know where to draw that line, and, as I said, I am a realist, and for this reason, an abortion is not a choice I would make, but it is a choice I cannot deny others.
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Rich Batchelder
Psalm Ch 139: “v13 For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. 14 I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well. 15 My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; 16 Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them. “
If you seek a definition of when life begins, look no further than conception. As long as you look to medical technology for a foundation in this area, you will find yourself adrift. The day will likely come when an embryo can be created and carried to infancy in a laboratory, completely independent of a human body. At that point, isn’t any fetus immediately viable? So why treat it differently now? Babies can be born pre-term in a healthy fashion earlier than ever, and that trend will continue to progress in this direction.
I started to consider some of the other points you brought up, and realized that we were just going to end up with tires spinning in the mud. The specific points such as how long a woman would have to report rape, or which participant of a hazardous birth is in greater jeopardy, or what to do about incest require knowledge across the disciplines of government, medicine, and the legal system that exceeds mine and, I presume, your own. More significantly, they are tangential to the main discussion.
It seems that this is really what it comes down to. For those who at least bother to examine the moral implications of abortion (for which you have my applause), a few very specific scenarios are presented to justify the universal and casual “right” for a woman to terminate her viable pregnancy. I have acknowledged that there are some very murky grey areas regarding abortion in those scenarios, and feel very badly for anybody who finds themselves in such a tight spot. We can discuss the nuances of those scenarios endlessly, and our society could use more of those discussions. However, I suspect that if we examined abortions in what you’ve termed “civilized societies”, the vast majority are completely outside of these limited scenarios. And that brings us to accountability. Somebody was fooling around and it caught up to them. Maybe the baby in the womb has been diagnosed as having an increased chance of having Down’s Syndrome. Perhaps a baby would inconveniently impact one or both of the parents’ career goals. Are we morally, ethically, spiritually, or any other “-ly” sound to allow a baby to die just for those sorts of reasons? If somebody takes a selfish mindset to a back alley, does that make the unpleasant result any less the result of their fear of accountability?
Life is full of trials. It’s how we mature. Having a baby, even when you want one, is a trial, and I imagine all the more so when you don’t want the baby. Nonetheless, we owe it to the child to not let our inconvenience end its life. Even if carte blanche (which I would not endorse) for abortion were granted on the sticky ethical scenarios, the lion’s share of abortion is a matter of expedience.
Not to dredge up an old argument, just thought I'd pass along this link: A perfect example of dogma (not the position you were advocating, to be fair) running up against the realities of the world we live in.
http://tinyurl.com/dkdgy3
Classic example of where the Catholic church struggles. That religion is built upon centralized authority, in a time when networked/individual power is probably reaching an apex in Western Society. It's disappointing that the article didn't interview any medical experts to discuss if the girl's health was in jeopardy, which I'm guessing was part of the issue.
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